tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post807900706408243512..comments2024-03-27T06:22:48.850-04:00Comments on A Minister's Musings: On sin and second-hand smokeRevWikhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15321110320262267203noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-78678768052609797912012-10-15T08:41:42.907-04:002012-10-15T08:41:42.907-04:00Oh Cathy . . . I sure hope it's not my job to...Oh Cathy . . . I sure hope it's not my job to break folks. 'Cause if it was I'd be out of a job. "Too late." Like I said yesterday, we're all already broken.<br /><br />Now I would be willing to cop to helping folks to recognize their brokeness. Or, maybe better, helping folks to own up to their brokeness.<br /><br />And Pete . . . I'd say that the purpose of RevWikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15321110320262267203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-88792498136297454332012-10-15T07:51:46.783-04:002012-10-15T07:51:46.783-04:00You and I may be comfortable being different -- it...You and I may be comfortable being different -- it's something I've been comfortable with all my life. And the thought of a church of folks just like me is kind of like a David Cronenburg movie :) <br /><br />I loved this morning's service on so many levels. I've thought long and hard about the AA/UU parallels, and what's missing in UU that is so very present in AA. What'sCathy Finn-Dereckihttp://transparentuniversity.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-28842111537272339722012-10-15T06:21:50.666-04:002012-10-15T06:21:50.666-04:00There's absolutely a demographic bent and the ...There's absolutely a demographic bent and the whole "welcoming" debate has been lost on me for awhile, although is certainly well intended. It's probably because I'm not of that demographic bent haha<br /><br />Again I'm not sure what outcomes are desired or how one would measure them anyway. To me there's a danger of a stigmatizing and divisive effect on folks i.e.Pete Armettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01210630500926404436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-37169369321475072012012-10-15T04:26:23.160-04:002012-10-15T04:26:23.160-04:00Pete, I feel your frustration on that one. The who...Pete, I feel your frustration on that one. The whole welcoming paradigm is a fuzzy one at best,, not in terms of intent, but in terms of execution. I'm not sure that the model of standing there and shouting "Hey we are welcoming! Come over here!" is working all that well. But I do believe that TJMC in particular has a demographic bent that, all the welcoming aside, speaks volumes Cathy Finn-Dereckihttp://transparentuniversity.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-79719304734877542592012-10-14T19:27:33.036-04:002012-10-14T19:27:33.036-04:00Just telling someone they're WRONG of course d...Just telling someone they're WRONG of course doesn't do anything to change their views or how they feel. And no matter how many "straight allies" the gay community has, of course straight folks never have or will be gay so of course will never really know what that experience is like. It's certainly high-minded but is "building bridges" and being "nice" Pete Armettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01210630500926404436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-31855005789022482752012-10-14T07:39:07.257-04:002012-10-14T07:39:07.257-04:00Erik, you are having the conversation behind the c...Erik, you are having the conversation behind the conversation, and that's never easy, but keep at it. Frequently, on these matters, it is easiest for us to talk on the surface about our feelings, but very difficult to dig beneath them to the very human, flawed ways that people of many faiths come to sometimes false conclusions. I truly believe that your willingness to empathize with and Cathy Finn-Dereckihttp://transparentuniversity.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-64986234502597789552012-10-13T21:35:38.799-04:002012-10-13T21:35:38.799-04:00Because, as he makes the point, there are people w...Because, as he makes the point, there are people who believe that homosexuality is poisonous, and only facts and talking/learning abt glbt folks will help soften their position-as well as pointing to scripture that contradicts their thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27422956.post-73780639502063164582012-10-13T21:19:08.878-04:002012-10-13T21:19:08.878-04:00I read that whole blog, I understand where you wer...I read that whole blog, I understand where you were going with this. The only thing is, one person being homosexual is not poisonous like second-hand smoke. It cannot kill a person who is straight and thinks homosexuality is bad or a sin.<br />However, religion has killed many. Many have died for having different beliefs. People claiming to be religious still bully and hurt those that do not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com